Author interviews

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    “I really want readers to fall in love with every character” – Emma Mugglestone on writing a small-town romance series

    Emma Mugglestone

    Meet Emma Mugglestone, author of the gorgeous new small-town romance novel The Reality of Us.

    One of the best things about editing is getting to read great books before everyone else. The flip side is that after working on the structural edit for Emma Mugglestone’s novel The Reality of Us earlier this year, I’ve had to wait patiently for everyone else to read it too! Thankfully, the wait is over. It’s out now, and if you love small-town romances, an opposites-attract vibe and plenty of spice, you’re in for a treat. 

    The Reality of Us is Emma’s first full-length novel and the first in a series that follows four brothers in the fictional regional Aussie town Wattle Junction. It’s already won hearts – and awards – well before release: in 2023 it took home the Romance Writers of Australia’s Emerald Award for an unpublished manuscript and the US-based League of Romance Writers Emily Award for contemporary romance.

    The series kicks off with Owen, a disillusioned big-city lawyer who has just moved back to his home town of Wattle Junction to establish a law practice he can be proud of. He’s not back long before he runs into Alice, a reality TV star whose picture-perfect life has just come crashing down in spectacular style.

    Here, Emma shares how she got into writing, why she chose the indie publishing path, and the irresistible pull of a series set in a small town. 

    Congrats on the release of your novel, The Reality of Us! How long have you been dreaming of this moment? 

    Thank you! I’ve been working on my Wattle Junction series since 2019 with a few false starts so to finally be releasing the first book in the series is so exciting. 

    Tell us about yourself and your writing journey. Where did it all begin for you? 

    Several years ago, I fell in love with romances and after reading across different sub-genres, I started to wonder if I could write one as well. My ‘gateway book’ into romance was Jasmine Guillory’s The Wedding Date and it’s still one of my all-time faves.

    When my kids were little I stayed at home and had the best time ever with them but once it was time for kinder and school to start, I knew I didn’t want to go back to my old career of advertising/administration and I’ve always loved reading and writing, so I figured I’d give it a go. 

    Can you tell us a bit about Owen and Alice’s story? 

    The Reality of Us is a spicy, small-town, opposites-attracts romance set in Wattle Junction, a fictional town west of Melbourne. At its core, it’s about learning to trust yourself and being open to new beginnings – including love.

    The Reality of Us is the first full-length novel in a series you’re planning based around the small fictional town of Wattle Junction. Why did you decide to embrace the series format? 

    There are a few reasons. The first is that as a reader, I love a series. Getting to fall in love with side characters who eventually get their own books is *chef’s kiss*. And I’m always happy when previous main characters reappear and you get a glimpse into what their life is like post their own HEA.

    The first full-length novel I wrote was Owen’s eldest brother Rafferty’s story. It’s a second-chance romance with a criminal investigation sub-plot that will eventually be released as the final book in the series. Once I finished drafting it and I was thinking about what I’d like to write next, I struggled to leave the idea of Wattle Junction behind and then realised that I didn’t have to because Raff had brothers! Given that Raff and Cassie’s story has the biggest climax, though, they got shifted to the end of the series. 

    I love the way you brought Wattle Junction to life as a small Australian town with a vibrant community. Do you have a country or small-town background yourself?

    I’ve never lived in a small town like Wattle Junction but I did grow up in Cairns in the eighties so it was a little similar. Small-town stories have always appealed to me though and Gilmore Girls will always be a fave show. 

    This novel has already been super successful – it’s won two awards before it’s even been published! How did it feel to take home not one but two big awards?

    Honestly, I’m still surprised that The Reality of Us won The Emily and The Emerald. Not because I don’t think it’s a deserving winner (excuse the humble brag!) but because I know how magnificently talented the other nominees are. It’s exciting to know it was well received and the story resonated with all the judges.  

    “When I first started writing seriously, I told anyone who would listen that I had no interest in self-publishing because it sounded like a lot of work. You know what they say about never saying never …”

    You’ve chosen to self-publish your Wattle Junction series. What drew you to indie publishing? 

    When I first started writing seriously, I told anyone who would listen that I had no interest in self-publishing because it sounded like a lot of work. You know what they say about never saying never … And, while it is a huge amount of work and a very steep learning curve, it suits my lifestyle right now and I’m eager to start sharing my stories with the world.  

    What advice would you give other authors who are considering self-publishing?

    I attended the Romance Writers of Australia conference earlier in the year and Steffanie Holmes gave an absolutely magic keynote speech about not quitting before the miracle. One thing that really resonated with me was her advice that you can do anything, but you can’t do everything and I’m applying that to self-publishing. It helps to be honest with yourself about what your strengths and weaknesses are. I’m not a very quick writer so I wanted to make sure that I had at least two of the other books from the series drafted before I released The Reality of Us. I’m a little behind on this goal but that’s okay. Hopefully I can catch up and if not, the beauty of indie publishing is that I can shift my deadlines around if I need to. 

    I loved working on the structural edit for this novel earlier in the year. I know editing can be a bit of a nerve-wracking experience for authors – how do you feel about the editing process? 

    I know I always end up too close to my stories so, while sharing my work is still anxiety inducing (with anyone, not just editors), it’s an integral step to ensure the story shines as brightly as it can. And the feedback is always so incredibly helpful. I’ve also been very lucky to work with editors who are supportive, kind and look after my characters and stories as if they were their own. 

    “Editing is an integral step to ensure the story shines as brightly as it can. And the feedback is always so incredibly helpful. I’ve also been very lucky to work with editors who are supportive, kind and look after my characters and stories as if they were their own.”

    Were there any takeaways or lightbulb moments from your edits that you could share? 

    So many things. That no matter how many times I read the manuscript and self-edit I’ll miss things and a fresh set of eyes and opinions is truly invaluable. Also, it’s essential to find the right editor who ‘gets’ your story and writing style. 

    Aside from editors, who else is essential on your publishing team? 

    I’m so lucky to have a group of wonderful writing friends who beta read my stories and give me constructive feedback and advice. It’s truly invaluable. I’ve also done several writing courses through The Australian Writers Centre and Romance Writers of Australia. 

    One of the highlights for me working on your novel was your skill with characterisation. Even the supporting characters were richly drawn and gave the novel so much heart.

    I really want readers to fall in love with every character in the story even if they’re only on a few pages because the best thing about small-town romances (in my opinion) is the people who live there. They drive the stories and give them so much depth. I’m also conscious that I tend to have quite a lot of characters, so I try to make sure they’re all there for a reason and readers know who is who. And finally, because The Reality of Us is the first book in the series, several future main characters are also being introduced. 

    “The best thing about small-town romances (in my opinion) is the people who live there. They drive the stories and give them so much depth.”

    Speaking of characters – readers might notice the dog on the cover of this book! Murphy the Bernese mountain dog is such a great character and plays a key role in Owen and Alice’s story. Are you a dog lover and what was it like writing a furry character with a big personality? 

    How cute is Murphy on the cover? I’m so in love with him. I am a huge dog lover and have always grown up with them. Now my family and I have two Chesapeake Bay retrievers named Bear and Artie and I’m planning on including a dog in each story of the series. I especially wanted Murphy to be an impractical breed choice for apartment-living Alice to highlight how she often fails to consider everything when making a decision (like the fact she has no idea what a Bernese mountain dog is and decides that if his breed includes mountains in the name he’ll love running in the mountains with her). And I loved the idea of him being an unruly puppy to throw some tension between her and Owen. 

    What do you find the most challenging – and rewarding – about writing? Do you have any tips for surviving a tough day on the tools?

    I’m not a fan of the first draft because even though I know it doesn’t need to be – and can’t possibly be – perfect, I’m always impatient to get to the stage where it isn’t such a mess. I once heard the first draft described as gathering sand and that second and subsequent drafts are when you can make your sandcastles. I’m constantly reminding myself of that during the first draft. 

    My husband always says to me “they can’t all be diamonds” and that’s what I remember on the inevitable days where the words just won’t come, or I don’t hit my goals. It’s all a learning curve and while I’d rather not leave things unfinished, learning to recognise when I’m just spinning my wheels and getting frustrated has been a game changer. Now I try to step away for a bit, take the dogs for a walk or read or watch something. 

    What would you like your stories to be known for? How do you want us to feel after spending time in the Wattle Junction world? 

    I want every reader to recognise a little bit of home in Wattle Junction, whether that’s from the family dynamics, the small-town vibes, the way the community rallies together or the friendships. 

    When can we expect the next book in your Wattle Junction series? 

    Nate and Eloise are up next in The Story of Us and it will (hopefully) be released in June 2024. While the central themes of the series (learning to believe in yourself and being the best version of yourself) still feature heavily, their story feels softer and sweeter to me. It’s about noticing and finding love in all the quiet, little moments that often get overlooked. 

    Finally, what are you reading now?

    I’ve been dipping my toe into the world of romantasy (I’m normally quite a staunch contemporary romance gal) and like the rest of the world have been reading Fourth Wing and Iron Flame. After I finish those, I’m diving straight into Christmas romances because they combine two of my absolute favourite things!

    Follow Emma Mugglestone on Instagram and TikTok @emma.mugglestone and pick up a digital or paperback copy of The Reality of Us here. You can also grab a free ebook of the prequel novella Wattle It Be? here.

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    “I want my characters to be relatable and authentic” – Stephanie Hazeltine on writing domestic thrillers 

    Stephanie Hazeltine wearing a pink top and smiling in front of her computer monitor

    As a primary school teacher, Stephanie Hazeltine always thought she’d write children’s books one day – but when she started writing, it was the heart-racing thriller genre that got her hooked. She’s just released her second domestic thriller novel, You Weren’t Watching, which is book two in her Suburban Secrets series.

    I was delighted to work with Stephanie on a line and copy-edit for You Weren’t Watching earlier this year, so I know just how much readers are going to love this book! It’s a pacy read that centres around the nightmare of a child’s disappearance, but also touches on postnatal anxiety and depression, the challenges of motherhood and co-parenting, and the knotty complexities of female friendships.

    Here, Stephanie shares how she got into writing, dealing with confronting themes in fiction, and how she navigates the self-publishing journey.

    Tell us a little bit about yourself and your new novel, You Weren’t Watching.

    I live in Melbourne with my husband, two kids and two cavoodles. I’m a primary school teacher who loves reading, running and Caramilk chocolate. I got into writing during lockdown and haven’t looked back – I’m constantly plotting stories and trying to find the time to write them all.

    You Weren’t Watching is an interconnected standalone novel in the Suburban Secrets series. It centres around a group of women and their children in the quiet suburb of Rosewood. When one of the children is kidnapped, the women must come together. But with every passing moment, more horrifying secrets are uncovered and it’s a race against time to save more than just one Rosewood resident.

    You Weren’t Watching throws you into every parent’s worst nightmare and makes you question who you can really trust.

    What made you want to be an author? 

    I actually wanted to be a children’s author originally because I loved reading to my students and sharing different books with them. Then a friend encouraged me to do a creative writing course and that sparked the desire to write novels. 

    How did you get started? 

    I started with a writing course that I completed during lockdown with a newborn baby. It started as a distraction from newborn monotony and lockdown boredom, but I fell in love with creating and it’s taken off from there. 

    “I want my characters to be relatable and authentic so I try to inject a bit of myself into (some of) them. The status quo before things get thrilling is what my life often looks like.”

    What draws you to writing domestic thrillers centring on women’s lives? 

    I want my characters to be relatable and authentic so I try to inject a bit of myself into (some of) them. The status quo before things get thrilling is what my life often looks like. It’s centred around my children, my family, my friendships. I love to read thrillers, so turning that everyday life into something devastating or scandalous is fun. 

    There’s some confronting themes and storylines in your work – does this involve lots of research to ensure you’re getting the details right?

    I have some lovely friends and family who work in emergency services, law enforcement and legal proceedings and they keep me on track so that my details are pretty accurate. 

    The mental health theme, particularly perinatal mental health, is something I’m really passionate about. I suffered postnatal depression and anxiety when my first child was born and it took me some time to realise that it’s totally fine and very common, and I wanted to highlight this in my books so that women who read them realise that too. I’ve had a lot of mothers reach out and thank me for discussing perinatal mental health. It’s also been a really therapeutic way of sharing some of the feelings I’ve experienced through my characters. 

    How do you protect your own mental health while exploring such dark content? 

    It probably seems odd but writing itself is one of the ways I protect my mental health. It’s a creative and emotional outlet for me, even when the content is dark.

    Have you learnt anything that you weren’t expecting about dealing with sensitive material in fiction?

    Not from my books yet, but from working with other authors and speaking with readers, it can certainly be a real minefield. Almost anything can warrant a trigger warning and we don’t know what our readers have experienced. I try to be as transparent as possible and list the trigger warnings at the front of my books. 

    You’re an indie author – why did you decide to go down the self-publishing path? 

    The first answer that comes to mind is the fear of rejection. But in addition to this, I really like having control over what and when I create and release my work. I set my own deadlines and keep them realistic around being a mum and a part-time teacher.

    What are the challenges involved in self-publishing? And do you have any advice for others who might be considering the indie route? 
    The hardest part, for me, has been marketing and getting eyes on my book. I feel I spend almost an equal number of hours writing as I do marketing and admin tasks, and that makes me sad because I love writing. As I become more experienced, I’m sure this will change but for now it’s a juggle. 

    My advice for others would be to establish some friendships/relationships with other indie authors because their knowledge is golden. I could not have navigated editing, formatting, uploading to different distributers, marketing etc without the people I met along the way who had already self-published. 

    “My advice for others would be to establish some friendships/relationships with other indie authors because their knowledge is golden.”

    How essential is working with an editor (or several editors!) as part of this process? 

    Crucial! For both of my books I have had an editor do a structural report very early on in the project and then a line edit at the end. As a self-published author, it’s all on me. There’s no publishing company to fall back on. So when my book goes out, I want it to be perfect because it represents my name only. Having an editor gets me as close to perfect as I can hope.

    Who else is essential on your publishing team? 

    A cover designer, beta readers (I’ve got three plus a proofreader) and ARC readers who I have reached out to over social media. I’m also part of two writing groups and we talk all week sharing motivation and ideas – and a really good barista. 

    What’s next for you – when can we expect the next instalment in your series? 

    The next instalment in the Suburban Secrets series won’t be until next year but I’m hoping to release a completely separate thriller later this year. Stay tuned.

    Where’s the best place for people to buy your books?  

    Paperback copies are available on Amazon. Otherwise you can get the ebook on Kindle, Apple, Kobo or Nook. 

    Find out more about Stephanie on her website and stay up to date on her books over on Instagram @stephaniehazeltinewrites

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    “I love to push limits in romance” – Natalie Murray on writing historical fiction, switching to contemporary romance, and how editing brings out her best

    Natalie Murray is an Australian author to watch. If you’re a fan of historical romance, you might already know her Emmie and the Tudor King series, which follows a young woman’s time slip into Tudor England and entanglement with a (fictional) fiery ruler. It’s swoon-worthy, passionate, transportive reading.

    Now, Natalie has returned to the present day with a contemporary romance novel set in Newcastle, NSW – where she now lives and where I grew up! – and I was so delighted to work with her on a structural edit for this manuscript late last year. Her best-friends-to-lovers story is heart-wrenching, funny and adorable in equal parts and I can’t wait till everyone else gets to read it too. In exciting news, that won’t be too long! Natalie’s contemporary romance has just been acquired by Allen & Unwin and is due to hit shelves in early 2024.

    Here, Natalie takes us through her journey from TV news reporter to author, the joys of writing both historical and contemporary fiction, her top advice for aspiring authors, and why the romance genre will always be her true love.

    Tell me about your journey to becoming an author. You have a background in journalism – what inspired you to make the leap to writing fiction? 

    I’ve always been a writer in some form, but until recently, it was only ever non-fiction. While I spent years writing news articles, business materials and blogs, I’d convinced myself I’d never attempt to write fiction, despite being a voracious reader. But when I was pregnant with my first child and at home feeling unwell, I began experimenting with writing short romance stories and immediately became hooked. When I published the stories online and received wonderful feedback from readers, I decided to try writing a full-length novel. I was watching the TV series The Tudors at the time, and having dreams about the Tudor period, so I decided to turn one of those dreams into a novel, which led to the first book in my Emmie and the Tudor King trilogy!

    Has your experience in writing for media helped you in writing books? Or is it an entirely different beast?

    I primarily worked as TV journalist, which requires you to ‘write to the pictures’ with as few words as possible – a very different process to describing a world for readers to imagine across tens of thousands of words. While plotting novels and character arcs bears little resemblance to anything I’ve worked on for the media, working as a journalist did teach me vital skills about the mechanics of writing and sentence structure and the importance of telling a good story and telling it quickly. So, there is probably more crossover than I think! Witnessing the idiosyncrasies of people and society as a reporter has also probably enriched my novels and characters in ways I don’t even realise.

    What do you love about writing love stories? 

    Oh gosh, what don’t I love! I’m an incurable romantic and never tire of perfecting a line of swoon-worthy dialogue or writing about the accidental brush of knuckles or the zing of a moment of direct eye contact. Every time I write a romance novel, I get to fall in love all over again, which is a high I’ll never stop chasing. While I’ve written fast-paced stories before with plenty of action, there’s something about the stillness of romance that I also love… of letting two characters shift into each other’s spaces and come to the realisation that each one is having a profound and life-changing impact on the other. It’s also great fun to write pages of romantic tension and then finally reach that explosive kiss or that confession that makes the reader’s heart beat harder. It’s also a genre that guarantees a happy and hopeful ending, so it feels like a safe space in which to escape.

    “Every time I write a romance novel, I get to fall in love all over again, which is a high I’ll never stop chasing.”

    Your first books are historical novels – what sparked your interest in Tudor England? 

    I’ve been captivated by the Tudor period for as long as I can remember, which is one of the most dramatic periods in British history. All you need to do is look at the Tudor family tree to see that this family was a hot mess of treason, love and betrayal. That said, I didn’t want to write another book about its established events or about Henry VIII’s wives or daughters. So, I decided to create a reimagined history in which Queen Elizabeth I married her rumoured lover Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester, and they had a son, Nicholas Tudor. My muse for this fictional king was probably the real Henry VIII in his younger years, who was not only ridiculously smart and talented but – according to reports – a total hottie. He was more than six feet tall, athletic, and known to be extremely handsome. My King Nick is part young Henry: charismatic, clever, and fiery to the end. It’s a fun story to lose yourself in!

    What funny or surprising details did you unearth while researching the period?

    There were plenty of surprising and funny tidbits, but I remember being quite amused to discover that water was considered unhealthy in Tudor times, so most people drank ale all day to stay hydrated – or wine if you were rich. One would assume the Tudors were permanently tipsy! That said, drunkenness was not tolerated, and there were punishments for alcohol abuse. If you were drunk in public and making a nuisance of yourself, you could be forced to wear a beer barrel as a form of humiliation, which was known as a ‘drunkard’s cloak’. You would be made to parade around inside a huge, heavy barrel with holes cut out for your head, legs and arms.

    Your next book is a contemporary romance, which I was thrilled to work on recently. What was it like moving into the contemporary genre? Do you think you’ll stay in the here and now or will historical romance come calling again? 

    Some of the Emmie and the Tudor King series is set in the present day, so I’d already played in the contemporary landscape and thoroughly enjoyed it. I never actually intended to become a historical romance author: I wanted to write a novel set in Tudor England that had the feel of a contemporary romance (a bit like a novel version of the TV series Reign). I always planned to move into the contemporary space once I’d finished the Tudor series and believed it would be easier because there is much less research involved. However, I was wrong! The Tudor setting provided so much immediate ‘story’ to work with… joustings, feastings, dances, the royal court – even beheadings. Writing contemporary romance means I’ve had to come up with 90,000 words of story and complications without that initial material to bounce off. I’m still not sure which is easier!

    Give us a teaser – how would you describe your upcoming contemporary romance book?

    I’m so excited about my next novel, which is a best-friends-to-lovers contemporary romance set in Australia! It’s a swoony and angsty story about love and friendship, loss, and finding the courage to follow your heart, even if it means facing your biggest fears. While offering plenty of sizzling romantic chemistry and light moments, the book explores the impacts of trauma and health anxiety in the era of ‘Doctor Google’ – something I have personally battled. Best-friends-to-lovers is my absolute favourite romance trope, so I have always wanted to “give it a crack”, as we Aussies like to say. In this one, you can expect slow-burn tension, forced proximity, ice-cream kisses, cute texting, and swoony confessions. After writing three books set in Tudor England, it’s been a joy to write a story set in my own backyard. And I just adore the male lead in this book, Ryan James. He is such a sweetheart.

    I know you have a really detailed process when it comes to writing a novel. How essential is working with an editor to your process? 

    I can’t imagine completing a book without an editor. Every time I’ve revised a novel after receiving feedback from an editor, I’m blown away at the improvement, and I always end up turning around and blurting to my husband: “It’s absolutely amazing what editors can do!” No matter how much careful thought I put into each book, how much plotting, or frantic revisions, I can only take it so far without the expert eyes of an editor to lift it to the next level. After working on multiple drafts of a full-length novel, it’s also easy to lose sight of both the bigger picture and the very small things that an editor will spot immediately. 

    “Editors have given me so many invaluable insights, like how to get more out of a theme, how to optimise the structure to ensure the climax hits at the right time and with the right degree of gut punch, when to boost the tension and when to pull it back, and the importance of character consistency.”

    Can you share any insight into lessons you’ve learned from the editing experience?

    I’ve become better at guessing what editors are going to pick me up on, so I tend to clean those up as I write in the hope that, one day, an editor will say to me: “It’s perfect! You don’t need to change a thing!” (In my dreams, haha.) Editors have given me so many invaluable insights, like how to get more out of a theme, how to optimise the structure to ensure the climax hits at the right time and with the right degree of gut punch, when to boost the tension and when to pull it back, and the importance of character consistency (which can be a tricky thing to get right). Sometimes I tend to overwrite and be a little heavy-handed, and you, Penny, have been particularly wonderful at shaving off superfluous language. Overall, I’ve learned from working with an editor that no matter how polished a novel is, it can always be better.

    What writing or editing rules do you love to break? 

    I love to push limits in romance. The overwhelming majority of readers who loved the Emmie and the Tudor King series said they adored the lead male character, Nick Tudor, but a few readers have complained about his fiery, egotistical nature. But I was creating the character of a sixteenth-century Tudor king, and I wanted him to be authentic. So, I set out never to compromise on his personality or soften him to make him more palatable to a twenty-first-century audience. I also probably use too many adverbs and adjectives and insert a touch too much emotion into my writing at times, but that’s because these are things I love as a reader. My favourite author is Paullina Simons because she doesn’t hold back on angst and emotion. I love and need the ‘happily ever after’ in romance, but before I get there, I want to be kicked in the heart. Probably because it makes the make-up kiss that much sweeter!

    “I love and need the ‘happily ever after’ in romance, but before I get there, I want to be kicked in the heart. Probably because it makes the make-up kiss that much sweeter!”

    What advice can you offer other aspiring authors? 

    Still on editing, I think it’s important for aspiring authors to remember that editors are on your team. The first few editor comments you receive can feel like criticism, but it’s not in a disapproving way; it’s because they’re fighting for you to create the best story you can. On writing overall, my main advice to authors is to finish the damn book. When you start writing your first novel, it is far too easy to give up. It’s a tough, gruelling process that can take years, and when no one is paying you a cent, no one is reading a word of it, and the couch is whispering your name, the urge to just walk away can be overwhelming. But the only way a book is written is that it’s written… one word, one sentence, one day at a time. There’s no shortcut. But if you just keep going, you will reach the end, and then you’ll have a full draft to go back and begin editing, which is when the magic happens and the fun begins. So, don’t be discouraged if your first draft isn’t as polished as you’d imagined. My first drafts are almost unreadable. But just finish the damn book, and then you can go back and fix it, which is a deeply enjoyable part of the process and easier than writing that first draft. 

    That’s excellent advice and I couldn’t agree more! Finally, what’s next for you? What are you working on now? 

    I’ve just finished plotting my next Australian contemporary romance, which features the tropes of grumpy-meets-sunshine and fake dating (with a twist). I can’t wait to start writing it! And I’m hugely excited to have nearly finished my first contemporary romance co-written with US author Jenny Hickman, which is called Hating the Best Man, which will be out in spring 2023. Jenny and I have fantastic writing chemistry and the same taste in all things romance, and I can’t wait for us to work on more books together. This is only the beginning.

    For more about Natalie’s books, follow her on Instagram @nataliemurrayauthor or visit her website.

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    “Don’t wait for the perfect conditions” – Clare Fletcher on building writing momentum

    There’s an iconic scene in Clare Fletcher’s debut novel Five Bush Weddings involving a steamy kiss and a thud as a meat pie drops to the ground, all but forgotten in the heat of the moment. 

    This hot/sweet/funny scene characterises Clare’s book, a rural rom-com that shakes off stereotypes to reveal a glimpse of modern life in the bush, with all its beauty, hardship and humour. It follows Stevie, a talented wedding photographer who captures a steady stream of rural romances through her lens but can’t seem to frame up her own happily ever after. Stevie is a hot mess and a hot item on the local gossip’s Bush Telegraph – and then her ex’s best friend, Johnno, reappears, reigniting old memories and confused feelings.

    I loved this book, not just because of Clare’s beautiful writing, but the way she threads real rural stories – the connection of country communities, the struggles farming families face trying to forge ahead in an ever-changing landscape – with the issues many women in their thirties grapple with, no matter where they’re from. It’s set between Brisbane and country Queensland, and Clare draws on her own background growing up in a regional town to fill the scenes and characters with authenticity.

    Clare is also a journalist so I was keen to hear if her day job helped her get the words for her first novel down on paper (yes and no!). Here, she shares her writing journey, her experience of being edited (not nearly as brutal as she expected), why playing team sport as an adult is a little like writing a book, and what readers can expect from her next…

    Congrats on the release of your first novel! I loved Five Bush Weddings and found it got me thinking about my own life journey, as Stevie grapples with her life decisions, a bad breakup and the pressure to settle down. What sparked the idea for the book? 

    I decided quite consciously to try to write a book, which had been a lifelong dream I’d spent three decades doing nothing about. When I decided to try writing a romance, thinking it would be quite formulaic, I wanted to explore that messy period in your early thirties when it feels like there are lots of conflicting expectations for women – have a brilliant career, get married to the perfect man, have babies, own a house, travel the world, be creatively and spiritually fulfilled. Very few people can knock all those off and if you haven’t done any of them, cue the soul-searching! And so many of those things are down to chance – I think we all have a beloved friend who just hasn’t met the right partner, through no fault of their own, but judgemental people can treat them like it’s a shortcoming or a character flaw that they’re single. Anyway, I liked the idea of a heroine who’s pretty great at her job but a bit aimless and hopeless at life, finding joy and purpose without needing a man to ‘fix’ her. A wedding photographer seemed like a great protagonist to explore different types of love as well as some fun parties!

    I love the way you portray rural Australia in the story. What was your aim in writing about the country? Were you hoping to give people a more informed glimpse?

    Growing up in a small town in regional Queensland is something I’m so proud of and grateful for, and this story is one big love letter to it. I’m a townie so I don’t have lived experience of working the land, but I’ve worked in small town pubs and restaurants and done peripheral farm jobs like cotton chipping, bug checking and grape picking! It feels like there’s a lot of rural-set crime fiction in Australia at the moment, so I wanted to try telling a more joyful story about country communities. And a lot of rural romance is understandably set in more idyllic locations – lush high country, wineries or vast stations – so I thought it would be fun to use the more prosaic settings of the places of my youth. I think there’s a real resilience and camaraderie, and a very unique sense of humour, that comes with the harsh unpredictability of living on the land. 

    How much of the story is based on your own experiences of living in the country and overseas? 

    All of Stevie’s terrible habits, many of her experiences at parties, and her memories of New York, are mine!

    Is it difficult to mine your own life experiences for art? 

    Actually, I think it can be too easy! Often I’d use a memory or an experience as a starting point to imagine a scene, and a lot of those very specific details remain in the final book. My sister told me the other day that everyone at home is speculating about who the Bush Telegraph is based on – that’s the trouble with having recognisable details, sometimes people forget the characters are fictional (I swear)!

    Tell me about your journey to becoming an author. When did you start writing fiction and why? 

    I’d always loved creative writing as a kid but it never felt like a realistic career path, so I didn’t dedicate much time to it after university. I think I had grown a bit depressed that I was ignoring this thing I’d always wanted to do, so I decided I had to give it a proper try. Weirdly, it was starting to play team sport in my mid-30s that got the ball rolling – it was a great reminder that the world won’t end if you’re bad at something, it can still be fun even if you suck, and that you can see improvement when you keep trying. Even getting into running was a great lesson in the way small, regular increments can add up to a big achievement. So I signed up to do the Year of the Novel course at Writing NSW in 2019. I don’t think anyone needs to study writing to start a book, but I knew I needed external accountability and structure. I didn’t finish the book in that year but it was exactly what I needed, and also helped me connect with fellow writers as well as a teacher who would go on to become my mentor. 

    “It was starting to play team sport in my mid-30s that got the ball rolling – it was a great reminder that the world won’t end if you’re bad at something, it can still be fun even if you suck, and that you can see improvement when you keep trying.”

    What about the nuts and bolts of writing a novel. Did your background as a journalist help? 

    It’s just chipping away over time. Journalism has made me very lazy without a pressing deadline, so it was a real mind-shift to keep working on this manuscript no one might ever read. There were weeks and months when I didn’t write, which can be something we gloss over when we’re telling the neat story of how a book gets written, but at a certain point you find you’ve invested so much in the characters that you need to finish it. Journalistic training has given me an appreciation for clarity in writing, some skills in observation, and maybe all those hours of transcribing interviews helped with writing dialogue!

    How long did it take to write Five Bush Weddings?

    It was a bit less than 18 months to finish the first draft. I was working full time, and pregnant for the last stretch! That ended up being the deadline I needed – imminent labour. While I was on parental leave, I worked with a mentor to refine the manuscript to submit to agents. Once I found my agent, it took a few months to lock in a publisher; and once the contract was signed it was less than a year to publication. So in all it was about three-and-a-half years, from starting to publication.

    How did you find the editing process? Scary, empowering, fun?

    This is where I think I was lucky to have worked in journalistic editorial, because I knew what to expect somewhat. I was absolutely packing it waiting for my structural edit, but book editors are much more gentle with you than a newspaper or magazine editor! I couldn’t believe the way my copy editor explained every suggested change, and offered lots of kind compliments to offset the constructive criticism (this is professionally known as the ‘shit sandwich’ or ‘compliment lasagne’). At the end of the day, editing is about making a piece of writing the best it can be, and making sure nothing stands in the reader’s way of enjoying the story. Suggested changes aren’t personal, you’re on the same team, and as the author you always have the right to accept or reject a change 

    “At the end of the day, editing is about making a piece of writing the best it can be, and making sure nothing stands in the reader’s way of enjoying the story.”

    Can you share any insight into lessons you learned from the experience? 

    My publisher (Nikki Christer) did my structural edit and that was a great learning experience. When she suggested my main character was a bit unlikeable, at first I freaked out, thinking it would be a huge job to rework her. But Nikki helped me see that a few simple scenes building Stevie’s relationship with her mum and her best friend could do a lot of heavy lifting to show why these people stick with Stevie even when she’s not making great decisions. Nikki also told me to go back and read Bridget Jones’ Diary and I think that can be really helpful, revisiting a touchstone book when you’re struggling with something.

    What writing/editing rules do you love to break? 

    ‘Show don’t tell’ is good advice a lot of the time, but sometimes we go too far in that direction when a bit of exposition can be much more efficient! I just bloody love words so I probably pepper in way too many adverbs (Kurt Vonnegut would never) and description… but that stuff is so pleasurable for me to write, I hope it’s enjoyable for readers, too.

    What advice would you give other aspiring authors?

    Don’t wait for the perfect conditions, the perfect idea or some arbitrary skill level to get started. Once you’re writing you’ll learn so much as you go. I think women in particular are often waiting for permission or over-qualification to start writing and sometimes you just have to ask yourself – would a mediocre white man hesitate in this situation?

    What’s next for you? What are you working on now? 

    I am getting close to my submission deadline for the second book in my contract. Obviously it’s an immense privilege to be contracted but it’s also done my head in a bit – working with very different expectations to the first time around. This new story will be in the same universe as Five Bush Weddings, with different main characters. There’s a historical timeline thread as well as the present day. Deb balls, beauty pageants, a collection of vintage dresses and women’s rugby – a weird cocktail!

    Pick up a copy of Five Bush Weddings here and find out more about Clare (and sign up for her excellent newsletter) here.

  • Author interviews, Editing, Writing

    “I like to make people laugh, but I also want to make them feel” – Karina May on writing rom-coms, travelling for inspiration and dirty first drafts

    Debut author Karina May was born to write rom-coms. She’s the kind of funny that leaves you gasping for air, and her sharp observations have a way of injecting life into tired romance tropes.

    Karina’s first novel, Under the Influence, will be released on 1 September under the HarperCollins imprint Escape. It follows banker Louise Lane and philanthropist Blake Goldfield as they grapple with their unravelling lives, the weight of society’s expectations and their unlikely attraction as their paths cross in flashy Sydney and beautiful Peru. 

    I’m so excited for the launch of this book, not only because I got to work on it at both structural and line-editing stages, but because I know exactly how much dedication and determination has gone into this incredible achievement.

    I met Karina when we were both working as editorial assistants for a niche publisher of craft magazines. Back then, our biggest creative hurdle was coming up with headlines for articles about sewing techniques and scrapbooking tools. It was seriously tough work and whenever we were stumped, our foolproof formula was to simply add ‘-tastic’ to the topic of choice. Tassel-tastic! Cushion-tastic! Quilt-tastic! I’m happy to say our standards have lifted significantly since then. 

    While I stayed in magazines, Karina was savvy enough to opt out of the declining industry early, moving into the booming world of digital marketing. She kept her creative muscle flexed writing rom-coms for fun, and here we are! Under the Influence is out now and Karina has another two novels in the works for next year (more on that below).

    I used my considerable influence with Karina to ask her about her journey to published author, her writing routine and, of course, how she feels about the editing process. 

    Cover of Under the Influence by Karina May

    Your first book, Under The Influence, is out on 1 September. Congratulations! How long have you been dreaming of this moment? 

    Thank you! I think I’ve dreamt of this moment for as long as I’ve been writing creatively – around 10 years or so! Like so many of us do, I changed the goal posts almost as soon as I started. Initially, I was writing a book just for fun – to see if I could actually do it … but that quickly changed to wanting to get it published!

    Can you give us a rundown of your journey to becoming a published author? When and why did you start writing?

    I have a background in journalism and studied communications at uni so I’ve always loved writing. My first couple of jobs were in magazines, writing articles. When I was growing up I actually wanted to be a foreign correspondent. I did a uni placement at an English broadsheet in Bangkok and quickly realised that a foreign correspondent was not the same as a Getaway reporter (LOL), so I ditched my Catriona Rowntree fantasies and went into magazines. I wrote non-fiction stories exclusively for years until the unfortunate decline of magazines pushed me to re-skill in digital. Once I wasn’t writing as much in my day job I found myself with a bit of an itch to scratch. I’ve always enjoyed being a storyteller, so I started jotting down funny anecdotes – mainly dating stories – then tried to string them together to make a book. Note: this is not how you write a book! 

    Writing a novel around a full-time job is no easy task. How do you juggle your fiction writing with your day-to-day life? Can you share any tips for being consistent with a writing routine?

    For sure! When I first started writing I was working in a pretty demanding full-time job. I wrote in the evenings as a bit of an outlet, and on some weekends. Now, I’m lucky enough to work for myself as a freelancer so I can choose my hours (to a degree). I’m someone who can’t really write in short bursts so I typically structure my week around writing blocks – at least one or two hours. I normally write first thing – which is a big change to how I started – as I’m less likely to skip the writing this way. My client/paid work has to get done, so I know that I’ll get to it after writing and I’m normally happier once I have some words down, too. So my main tip is, writing first! Even if that is before the sun is up (vom).

    Travel is a big theme in your work. What role does travelling play in your creative process? 

    It plays a massive role. My writing ideas are mostly sparked by being in new environments. My senses and observational skills are heightened and the juices start flowing! It could be an experience, a conversation, or even a look that gets the imagination going. It’s almost like when I’m away, I give myself permission to play – I’m now doing my best to give myself the same permission slip when I’m home. It’s about harnessing that ex-pat mentality and curiosity in everyday life. 

    I know you’re a fan of writing getaways – I’m always jealous to see you writing in beautiful locations! Where, apart from Sydney, did you pen Under the Influence?

    Oh yes, I’ve lost count of the number of writing getaways I’ve done (so very lucky!) I actually started writing Under the Influence in Berlin in late 2019. I was there for six weeks and wrote the first 30,000 words in my studio apartment in Kreuzberg and in surrounding cafes. The rest of the novel was written during Covid time. Between lockdowns, I managed to escape to Patonga on NSW’s Central Coast with my amazing writing pal, JoJo Swords, for some editing. Editing can be very painful so I like having a change of scenery (and a buddy).

    “The main thing I love about the editing process is help with identifying my blind spots”

    Speaking of editing, I’m lucky to have worked with you on a few manuscripts now, and I know you’ve worked with other editors and beta readers too. What do you find most helpful about the editing process? 

    Gosh, I’m so lucky to have you edit my books. You make them exponentially better! I think the main thing I love about the editing process is help with identifying my blind spots. By the time I’m done, I’m normally so close to the story that I can’t see the wood for the trees. It’s so helpful having expert assistance to suggest which parts of the story need attention and why. I think the why is just as important, as I’m not going to make any changes unless I truly believe it’s going to better the story. 

    How important is it to you to get that outside perspective when you’re shaping your story? 

    It’s imperative. I think it’s helpful to get the advice of an expert editor to help with the technical elements, like ways to raise the stakes, and a handful of trusted beta readers to tell you in non-technical terms what they love and what might not be working as well. Once you have multiple opinions you can identify trends. If everyone is saying the same thing it’s hard to ignore! 

    What writing or editing rule do you love to break? 

    Haha, I love this. Apart from thinking punctuation is entirely optional (sorry, Penny!), maybe the rule that you should write a dirty first draft. I’m not someone who can get my thoughts down fast. I am certainly of the school of thought that you can’t edit a blank document, but I’m also cautious about making more work for myself by writing too much nonsense. I don’t make myself write every day, so if I’m writing rubbish I won’t persist. I personally like to write a pretty clean first draft. I write leanly, then add.

    What do you want Karina May books to be known for? 

    Oh, that’s a tricky one. I’ve been told that my stories are ‘lively’ – I think that means that I have big plots with big characters. I like to make people laugh with my writing, but I also want to make people feel. To make big feelings, ideas and themes more accessible by delivering them in a palatable way. Palatable? I’m not sure I would buy something marketed as palatable, so let’s go with spunky. I also want my books to just be a bit of fun! I have so much fun writing them – especially the travel aspect – so I want people to have fun reading them!

    What advice would you give aspiring writers hoping to follow in your footsteps?

    Seek out expert advice! Whether that’s a course at the Australian Writers Centre (where I did the Write Your Novel six-month course, twice!) or listening to writing podcasts (my current faves are The First Time pod, Talking Aussie Books and Writes4Women), and when the time is right, engage a professional editor like Penny! [Ed’s note: I did not pay her to say that!] Not only does being tapped into the writing community provide you with support and accountability to help you stay motivated, it will set you up with the foundations you need to create a manuscript worthy of publication. And, read lots! Everyone says this – because it’s true. Reading widely will help your writing, and it’s also useful for staying on top of trends and understanding where your manuscript fits in the market.

    And finally… when can we expect the next Karina May story?!

    Ooh, 2023 is going to be very exciting! I recently signed a two-book deal with Pan Macmillan, so I’ll have new books out in March and December next year. I’m also going to start work on my fourth book. I have an idea for the one after that too, so for the moment it’s writing, writing and more writing!

    You can pick up Karina’s delightful debut Under the Influence here or follow her on Instagram @karinamaywrite